Legislature(2003 - 2004)

04/30/2003 03:33 PM Senate RES

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         SB  56-SPORT FISHING FEES FOR YUKON RESIDENTS                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRED DYSON, sponsor of SB 56, gave the following                                                                        
explanation of the measure.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     A couple of times  former Senator Randy Phillips worked                                                                    
     on  getting reciprocity  of  resident fishing  licenses                                                                    
     for  our neighbors  in the  Yukon.  In anticipation  of                                                                    
     that happening,  the Yukon Parliament passed  a bill to                                                                    
     extend  the  same  courtesy   to  Alaskans.  The  Yukon                                                                    
     Territory  has  a  population  of  slightly  less  than                                                                    
     30,000,  and unless  one of  the glaciers  continues to                                                                    
     recede, it  has no  saltwater frontage on  the Pacific.                                                                    
     Yukoners are  indeed the closest  neighbors to  most of                                                                    
     Alaska and a few hundred  of them, maybe even more than                                                                    
     a thousand of them, come  down to fish our waters. This                                                                    
     measure is  just one of several  activities being taken                                                                    
     to build a relationship  with our Yukon neighbors. They                                                                    
     are, I believe, very appreciative of those efforts.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     The  Alaska Department  of Fish  and  Game (ADF&G)  has                                                                    
     estimated  a   negative  financial  impact   from  this                                                                    
     legislation.  However, there  will  probably  be a  net                                                                    
     financial gain  for the people of  Alaska. The Yukoners                                                                    
     will spend time and money in our coastal cities.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     The State  of Alaska is  working very closely  with the                                                                    
     Yukon Government  to build a  natural gas  pipeline and                                                                    
     to   tie   together   their  railroad   systems.   Both                                                                    
     governments   engage   in  some   game   co-management,                                                                    
     particularly  for  caribou,  and  work  together  on  a                                                                    
     number of cooperative tourism  efforts. The Premier may                                                                    
     be visiting Juneau in the  next three weeks. Alaska has                                                                    
     a  bilateral agreement  with  the  Yukon government  to                                                                    
     continue to  work on issues  of common interest.  SB 56                                                                    
     is  a  small  gesture  on  Alaska's  part  to  be  good                                                                    
     neighbors.  The  Government  of   Yukon  is  more  than                                                                    
     willing to reciprocate and has, in fact, done that.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
He  asked that  the committee  interrupt its  proceeding to  hear                                                               
from   Premier  Fentie   as   soon  as   he   is  available   via                                                               
teleconference.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
VICE-CHAIR WAGONER  announced that  Senator Lincoln  was present.                                                               
He then said Premier Fentie was  not on-line yet so he would take                                                               
public testimony.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BENJAMIN BROWN,  representing  the Alaska  State Chamber  of                                                               
Commerce, stated  strong support  for SB  56 and  Senator Dyson's                                                               
efforts to extend a hand  of friendship to our Canadian neighbors                                                               
to  the east.  The  Yukon Territory  and Alaska  share  a lot  of                                                               
similarities in  personality and  geography. One  similarity they                                                               
do not  share is the  saltwater coastline. The  Yukon Territorial                                                               
Assembly  has already  passed  legislation  enabling Alaskans  to                                                               
obtain resident  fishing licenses in  the Yukon Territory.  SB 56                                                               
may  seem  like  a  small  gesture but  it  fits  into  a  larger                                                               
framework of developing friendly relations with the Yukoners.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.   GORDY  WILLIAMS,   legislative  liaison   for  the   Alaska                                                               
Department  of  Fish  and Game  (ADF&G),  introduced  Rob  Bentz,                                                               
deputy  director of  the  Division of  Sport  Fisheries. He  said                                                               
ADF&G has  had several spirited  discussions with the  sponsor of                                                               
SB 56  over the last  few days.  He appreciates and  supports the                                                               
sponsor's desire  to be a  good neighbor, however ADF&G  has some                                                               
concerns  to point  out to  committee members.  The first  is the                                                               
fiscal  note,  which represents  a  decrease  in revenue  in  the                                                               
amount of about $46,000 from the  fish and game fund. He admitted                                                               
it is  a bit difficult to  quantify the numbers and  would answer                                                               
any questions  about the fiscal  note but pointed out  the figure                                                               
provided  is  ADF&G's best  estimate.  The  second issue  is  the                                                               
public policy call of granting  this privilege to Yukon residents                                                               
and  the precedent  that may  set  for the  residents of  British                                                               
Columbia.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
VICE-CHAIR WAGONER  asked Mr. Williams to  postpone the remainder                                                               
of his testimony as Premier Fendie was on-line.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
PREMIER  DENNIS  FENDIE, Government  of  Yukon,  said his  recent                                                               
discussions  with Senator  Dyson  renewed an  issue for  Yukoners                                                               
that has been around for  awhile, that being reciprocal licensing                                                               
fees between  Alaska and  the Yukon. He  said the  Yukon Assembly                                                               
has already made regulatory changes  to allow Alaska residents to                                                               
purchase  a fishing  license at  a predetermined  rate, which  he                                                               
believes  is  $15.  SB  56   would  provide  Yukoners  that  same                                                               
reciprocal  arrangement  when   purchasing  fishing  licenses  in                                                               
Alaska. He indicated that the  Yukon has no intention of creating                                                               
problems  for  the  state;  the agreement  will  be  between  two                                                               
jurisdictions and  would not  set a  precedent because  the Yukon                                                               
does   not  have   similar  arrangements   with  other   Canadian                                                               
jurisdictions.   SB 56 will  do a lot for  relationship building.                                                               
The Government  of Yukon  and the  State of  Alaska work  on many                                                               
issues  collectively  with a  common  purpose  and interest,  for                                                               
example,  SHAKWAK,  the railway,  and  the  gas pipeline.    This                                                               
gesture is  one small component  of what  is growing into  a very                                                               
productive relationship  between the  two jurisdictions.  He said                                                               
the Government  of Yukon  is ready to  enter into  the reciprocal                                                               
agreement  but, despite  the  outcome  of SB  56,  it desires  to                                                               
continue to work together with the State of Alaska.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DYSON  said his sense  is that  reducing the cost  of the                                                               
fees will  not make  a huge economic  difference to  the Yukoners                                                               
who  come to  the coast  to  fish, but  it will  send a  friendly                                                               
signal.  He  asked Premier  Fendie  if  he  believes SB  56  will                                                               
increase the number of Yukoners that come to the coast to fish.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
PREMIER FENDIE said  it is highly unlikely because  the number of                                                               
Yukoners who travel to the coast  today is not driven by the cost                                                               
of the  license but  rather by the  close proximity.  He repeated                                                               
this is more about furthering  relationships; he does not believe                                                               
SB 56  will create a mad  rush of Yukoners to  Alaska. He pointed                                                               
out  the  Yukon Territory's  population  has  decreased by  about                                                               
3,000 people over the last six  years. He said that Yukoners hope                                                               
this will  also entice more  Alaskans to  come fish in  the Yukon                                                               
Territory.  He then  informed  members he  will  be traveling  to                                                               
Juneau soon to visit with Governor Murkowski.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being  no further questions,  VICE-CHAIR WAGONER  asked Mr.                                                               
Williams to resume his testimony.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WILLIAMS continued  by telling  members it  is important  to                                                               
remember that  British Columbia shares a  significant border with                                                               
Alaska and a significant portion  of its population does not have                                                               
access  to saltwater.  He also  pointed out  that Alaska  and the                                                               
Yukon  have  significant  differences   in  their  sport  fishing                                                               
limits. In the Yukon, the limit  is an amalgamation of two salmon                                                               
per day; in Alaska, non-residents  are allowed an amalgamation of                                                               
26  salmon per  day and  access  to halibut  and other  saltwater                                                               
species.  Much of  the Yukoners'  saltwater  fishing efforts  are                                                               
concentrated  in  the  Southeast   area  of  Juneau,  Haines  and                                                               
Skagway. He  deferred to Mr.  Bentz to recount  discussions about                                                               
those  areas at  Board  of Fisheries  meetings.  He concluded  by                                                               
saying  ADF&G   supports  the  commitment  to   maintain  a  good                                                               
relationship  with the  Government  of Yukon,  but  it wants  the                                                               
committee to  be informed of  the issues that surround  this kind                                                               
of approach.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR ELTON said  the least of his concerns is  the decrease of                                                               
$46,000  in the  fish and  game  fund because  ADF&G has  dollars                                                               
warehoused in  a lot of  different components. He said  the issue                                                               
of  concern  to  him  is  that  the  Premier  said  he  does  not                                                               
anticipate  any  further  effort  on  the  part  of  Yukoners  in                                                               
Southeast waters. However, right  now non-residents catch two out                                                               
of three  king salmon  and there  is a  cap on  the take  of king                                                               
salmon  each   year  by  the   sport  component.  He   asked  for                                                               
reassurance  that the  enactment of  SB  56 will  not create  cap                                                               
problems that make  it more difficult for  Southeast residents to                                                               
catch salmon.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ROB  BENTZ, deputy  director  of  the Sport  Fish  Division,                                                               
ADF&G, said there are limits on  the sport fishery.  The Board of                                                               
Fisheries  has   delineated  the  limits  and   restrictions  for                                                               
residents  and non-residents.  The  board met  in Ketchikan  last                                                               
February and amended the king  salmon management plan to make the                                                               
restrictions on non-residents a  little more stringent. The daily                                                               
limit  for  king salmon  will  be  one  per  day and  three  fish                                                               
annually, regardless of the abundance.  In contrast, the resident                                                               
daily limit will remain at two  king salmon with no annual limit.                                                               
If  the number  of  fishermen from  the  Yukon Territory  remains                                                               
static, he does not anticipate any impacts to resident anglers.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR ELTON  asked if ADF&G  and the Board of  Fisheries define                                                               
resident anglers by  where they live, not by whether  they have a                                                               
resident  fishing license.  He asked  if under  SB 56,  a Yukoner                                                               
would be  considered a non-resident  yet hold a  resident fishing                                                               
license.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DYSON clarified  that resident status will  only apply to                                                               
the  fee so  that Yukoners  will pay  a resident  fee for  a non-                                                               
resident license.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  LINCOLN asked  if  the  amount in  the  fiscal note  was                                                               
calculated  by changing  the  amount charged  for  the number  of                                                               
licenses sold to Yukoners in the past.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WILLIAMS referred  to  a chart  distributed  to members  and                                                               
indicated  that the  first  column total  reports  the number  of                                                               
licenses  sold,  which  was 2,741.  Currently,  the  non-resident                                                               
annual fee is $100 per  year. In addition, non-residents who want                                                               
to make  multiple trips can  buy a  one or three-day  license for                                                               
less than the  cost of an annual permit. Therefore,  of the total                                                               
2,741  purchases, some  people  may  have purchased  multiple-day                                                               
permits while other people may have purchased annual permits.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LINCOLN  asked if  ADF&G anticipates  an increase  in the                                                               
number of  Yukoners who would come  to Alaska if the  license fee                                                               
is reduced.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. WILLIAMS said  the resident rate is for an  annual license so                                                               
it may not entice more people to  come but it is likely to entice                                                               
those with licenses to come more often.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BENTZ added  that when  the legislature  raised non-resident                                                               
license fees in the mid-1990s,  ADF&G was concerned that it might                                                               
see  a  decline  in  the  number  of  non-resident  anglers.  The                                                               
increased fee did  not have that effect. He does  not believe the                                                               
license fee  is a deterrent. Those  who want to fish  will do so.                                                               
He said in the  past, in a group of six, two  may have fished. If                                                               
SB  56  is enacted,  perhaps  four  of  the group  will  purchase                                                               
licenses.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  DYSON asked  if the  purchase of  one annual  license as                                                               
opposed   to   several   day   licenses   will   reduce   ADF&G's                                                               
administrative cost.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. BENTZ said sales will be easier for the license vendors.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  LINCOLN asked  what effect  the  currency exchange  will                                                               
have.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
VICE-CHAIR WAGONER  said it should  have no effect on  Alaska but                                                               
it will be cheaper for Alaskans buying licenses in the Yukon.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR ELTON asked  that someone get back to him  with an answer                                                               
on whether Yukoners will have  to register the boats they trailer                                                               
to Alaska.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. WILLIAMS said  he did not think so and  believes that is only                                                               
a requirement for boats being registered in Alaska.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
VICE-CHAIR WAGONER  asked if Mr.  Williams said the bag  limit in                                                               
Alaska is 26 salmon per day.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. WILLIAMS said the non-resident  limit is an amalgamated total                                                               
of 26 salmon per day including pinks, chums and cohos.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. BENTZ  said the bag limits,  except for king salmon,  are the                                                               
same for  residents and non-residents.  In most  saltwater areas,                                                               
the limits are 6 per day  for each species of coho, chum, sockeye                                                               
and  pink. The  king  salmon limit  is  one per  day  for a  non-                                                               
resident  or  2 for  a  resident.  Therefore, a  non-resident  or                                                               
resident could keep 25 fish per day.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
VICE-CHAIR WAGONER  said he has  done a lot of  saltwater fishing                                                               
and has never caught close to that number.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WILLIAMS  said   he  made  that  point  to   show  what  the                                                               
availability will be if a Yukoner buys an Alaska license.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
VICE-CHAIR  WAGONER noted  there  were no  further questions  and                                                               
asked the will of the committee.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  STEVENS  moved  SB 56  from  committee  with  individual                                                               
recommendations and its attached fiscal note.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There  being  no  objection,  VICE-CHAIR  WAGONER  announced  the                                                               
motion carried.                                                                                                                 

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